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  • rahulpaper
    06-28 06:10 PM
    and everyone started having a sane discussion...

    hope fully this would help
    http://www.imminfo.com/resources/cissop.html

    Read couple of pages forward....thanks Ramba

    All you guys forgetting main thing. Visa bulliton is not a law. It advises consular posts and USCIS to accept and approve 485s and schulde interviews in consular posts to issue IV. It is just a advisary notice to other federal agency by DOS. It is not a binding document.

    The law is "an immigrant visa should immediatly available at the time of filing AOS application" . If visas number is not available on 3rd july, DOS has a right, under the federal law, to advise USCIS and consular posts to stop accepting and approving any applications and stop issuing IV at consular posts on any date.

    If you need more evidence, browse the adjudicator field manual for 485. It says "unless any interm notice issued by DOS, visa number is available to all in entire month". Therefore the key is "unless any interm notice issued by DOS". If DOS issues notice to USCIS on June 3rd, USCIS has to stop accepting any 485.





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  • PlainSpeak
    01-14 04:12 PM
    plainspeak,

    i know a thing or two about this eb related immigration. i agree people should not suffer for years together to get a perm. res card, and that too, people who may have been in the line ahead of others.

    however, i dont think it is just not being ahead that creates this spill over thing. unused visas first go to eb1, then to eb2 and then to eb3. i think, that is correct. now, my view about this categorization is that, eb1 -- outstanding people, eb2 -- better qualified, eb 3 -- skilled but not qualified in terms of degree or experience, whatever. (pls understand, i am not degrading eb3 people, i have loads of very close friends in eb3 who are extremely intelligent and i can tell you, can easily compete with the eb2 guz, as far as knowledge etc goes).

    but, there is a reason for this division and just for that reason, visas have to go thru eb2 before eb 3. if that is not the case, they wont put people who go for NIW in eb2, it wud have been in eb 3 or a completely separate category.

    u did mention to someone that u dont want to convert to eb2 or something in those lines, but i believe everyone should try to get to eb 2 (get masters, or after getting the experience), there is nothing wrong in doing so. (if u feel that i shud not be giving u advice, then just ignore the above few lines)

    i believe some of things people pointed out like visa recapture, not counting the dependents etc are the kind of things where IV should focus energies. this is good for all immigrants

    bottomline: i believe it is wrong to distribute remaining visa no.s to eb3 category before servicing eb 2, becoz i thought, the categories were specifically created to prioritize.

    and please, bear in mind, i am not saying this coz i am eb2. i thought logically that was correct. and, i do easily qualify for eb 1 as well. just did not care abt a gc. i dont care abt it even now. my thinking: if it happens, good, if not, i dont care, i can always go back home-jai hind.
    Mr Syendu after replying to all abusers my mind has pretty much been fogged up. Contrary to oipinion i am also working while blogging so there is the added pressure.

    So now having read through your post (I appreciate no abuses) i get the jist of what you are saying so forgive me if i do not reply line by line so here is my answer

    EB1/EB2/EB3 rule was never disputed by me. That is law and will never chaange. i dont like it but i will go with what is the law.

    Yes i will NOT convert to EB2 because i have already spent time and energy for the first GC app. (In case any abuser is wondering the gc was paid by company so it is not the lack of funds or lack of companies willing to file for EB2 for me which is stopping me). Sure people are converting and all the best to them, but my point is what about people who cannot convert. Maybe someone has got 2 kids and single earner and he does not have the time or money to do a masters. Maybe some one is so tired working a job which is busting his or her ass off and has no energy to do that. If we think about it there are a whole lot of reasons why a person cannot do a masters. And to that complexities there are very few companies which are willing to sponser EB2 nowadays

    So my plain speak is that just because every member in IV has a masters and is in EB2 or can do masters and convert from EB3 to EB2 does not mean that the majority of people out there can do the same so IV members giving advises like below ar enot only impracticle but also broder on hig handedness. Their contention is that we did it why can you not. If you cannot you must be a low skilled person who has scrapped through into the country and deserves to wait a long time for a visa.

    Please remember that EB2 or EB3 is not a straighjacket and theri are people in both the groups who do not belong there and belong in the other group


    Just for information i do have a masters

    Visa recapture and not counting the dependents will help the immigration community only if it happens. I see nothing on the horizon which says that it will happen. As another iV member pointed out no immigration friendly bill has come for debate in the last 4 years and that is with a democratic majority which is immigration friendly as some IV members like to point out. So with such a situation piece meal efforts must be made but piece meal efforst should be directed to the heavily retorgressed community because teh big bills if and hwne they happen will fololow teh regular rule anyway

    And finally i would like to say you have been most polite and respectfull and i am honoured to discuss thiongs with you

    JAI HIND





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  • Pineapple
    12-14 02:54 PM
    Yep.
    So what you are saying, in other words, is 7% limit is for every country in the world (Except USA:)) correct?





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  • maximus777
    08-17 02:38 PM
    Well said. On a lighter not, maybe he got flagged because his IPL team Kolkata Knight Riders has so many Pak players in it, I wouldnt be surprised if someone mistook it for Karachi Knight Riders. :D



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  • Macaca
    07-03 09:01 PM
    I will need everyone's input since I don't know all issues.
    Titles

    "Immigration scandal goes unnoticed" or "USCIS drama and tantrum to lessen workload" or "Is this legal?" or "Resignations due at USCIS" or "Foul Play synonym USCIS Play" or GOVT "AGENCIES SHORT CIRCUIT A MILLION HOPES" or "The US govt. does a number on High Skilled Immigrants" or "Legal immigrants and the prison of USCIS" or "Door slams shut for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants in the US" or "US closes the door for highly skilled LEGAL immigrants" or "US isolates highly skilled legal immigrants" or "Broken Legal immigration system harmful to US competitiveness" or "Legal Immigration system in shambles" or "Flip-Flop: DOS & USCIS in cahoots?" or "USCIS betrays thousands of hopeful"

    Retrogression in employment based (EB) legal permanent resident (= GC) process

    Skilled tax paying immigrants
    Adjustment of Status (AOS) is last stage in EB GC process

    AOS application requirements

    Application requires

    Medical

    increase in (hard to get) appointments across United States
    Some had to take MMR vaccine and hence postpone their plans to have kids by 3-6 months as recommended by NIH. (newbee7)

    Birth certificate

    request for documentation in country of origin


    Requires applicant and dependents (spouse + children) to be in country.

    Some applicants and/or dependents had to fly in to be able to apply. (chanduv23)

    2-3 days to prepare forms

    Applicants changed their schedules to submit forms

    Cost of applying

    Application Fee

    I-765 (Application for Employment Authorization) $180
    I-485 (Application for Adjustment of Status to register as Permanent Resident)
    ($225 for applicaiton below 14 and over 80 (Should check on this)) $ 325
    I-131 (Application for Advance Parole / Travel Document) $170 -
    Biometric Recording Fees (Finger Printing, etc) $70
    Total $745

    Lawyer Fee $1000+
    Others

    Medical $250+
    Pictures $30-40
    Postage $50
    Misc $50
    2 Days off Work
    Overseas travel to fill form


    Looks like only $380+ is lost per applicant.

    Need good estimate on #dependents!

    Benefits of AOS application

    provides Employment Authorization (EAD) that

    allows applicant to change employers 180 days after filing AOS, if the new job is the same as the one they based their positions/original GC applications on. This is very important for applicants, who are bound to a particular employer for 6+ years due to GC processing delays.
    allows spouse to get out of the house and contribute to American economy.
    eliminates the need for continually renewing temporary skilled visa

    A 21+ year old child can not be filed with primary applicant. However, once AOS is filed the child is "safe" regardless of how long USCIS takes to approve AOS. (My son turn 21 in mid-January 2008: darslee)
    provides Advanced Parole (AP) for travel without visa -> saves Embassy overhead
    application processing, which includes name checking that can take 1+ year, can be done while waiting for GC #.
    USCIS gets a better load estimate for load balancing.

    What happened

    Applicants started filling forms on June 13th
    Some applicants mailed forms on June 29th
    USCIS announced on July 2 that it will not accept forms recieved on or after July 2

    Why does it hurt

    Waiting in line for 6+ years due to previous GC processing delays
    Very little chance of legislative relief for a long time.
    Rejected June filers can not re-file.
    Some applicants did not file in June (due to prior engagements) because they had the option of filing in July.
    $'s lost on re-applying

    Lawyers who charged $1000+ for filing will not refund service fee and charge for additional processing
    Medical will not be valid after 1 year and photos will not be valid after 6 months.

    estimated expenses for at least 100,000 applicants is $6,000+ million in filing fees, medical examination expenses, incidental expenses such as travel, photocopying, phone calls, courier, etc., not including the 2-3 days of preparation time expended by each family as well as lost productivity experienced by applicants’ businesses due to absence from work
    Fees increasing 66% starting Aug 1 2007; should consider July applicants under old rate
    USCIS which is supported 90% by application fee should pay some attention to applicants
    Special cases

    I applied for H1B extension when my PD was current. Since my PD was current, I got 1 year extension. However, I could not apply for AOS. Now, I have to re-apply for H1B extension after 1 year. (??)
    I could not apply in July. I had planned overseas trip on July 8th. What happens if my date becomes current before I return? (andyny73)


    Individual trauma and stress

    Thousands of individuals and businesses rely on the monthly bulletins to prepare and plan for the submission of applications. This update sets a terrible precedent, and undermines this nation’s efforts to foster legal and orderly immigration.
    Patience is not just a virtue but a way of life for millions of legal immigrants who have been living in US for 6+ years. Besides everyday stress of job, mortgage, health and education of their children, they live with the added suspense of their GC application. (from vasa)
    We are raising families here, our everyday life is no different from any other AMERICAN middle class family with same expectations and hopes. So it is not easy to presume that we can pull out or get out of this situation and return to our home countries. (from vasa)

    The biggest loss is trust: Can we trust and rely on visa bulletin to prepare AOS application?
    Applicants will always live in fear untill they receive receipt #

    USCIS history

    376, 345 GCs went unused from 1992-2006 mainly due to USCIS inefficiency
    According to page 35 of ombudsman report, This loss of visas is due to:

    gaps in USCIS’ accounting of cases;
    USCIS not processing enough pending applications in a timely manner; and
    the imprecise art of predicting workflows and demand surges at three federal agencies:

    Department of Labor (DOL) (approves labor certifications);
    USCIS (processes immigration petitions after completion of labor certifications and processes green card applications for applicants in the United States); and
    DOS (establishes priority dates and processes immigrant visas from applicants outside the United States).



    Comparison with Undocumented





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  • acecupid
    08-15 09:27 AM
    Try detaining any of their top Hollywood Heroes at an Indian airport for 2 hours and see how USA media and people will react to it.

    You people have no respect for your own motherland and always think everything American is good than your own country. Learn to stand up for your motherland. Just because you want your greencard does not mean you forget your roots. Anti-Immigrants (read racists) of this country will still call you slumdogs even if you are a citizen of this country. But your own country people will never forget you and will accept you as their own even if you have lived here for 50 years.

    Learn to love your motherland.

    I completely agree with you that we should never forget our roots or our motherland. India is far better than US when it comes to family values and many other things. However, this story has nothing to do about standing up for our own country/motherland. Every person who has a common name with terrorist names has had troubles at POE since 9/11. So who cares if he is SRK or anyone for that matter. When Colin Powell was the chief of security under Bush administration he had to go through airport security just like any other common person. The TSA here in US treats everyone the same. Do you think ministers or celebrities in India follow any security procedures ? Every now and then you hear of ministers and celebrities involved in smuggling scandals.
    There are good and bad things about every nation. IMHO, security procedures in US are the far better than India and apply the same way to everyone unlike in India. If you are so concerned about standing up for your motherland, what are you doing in the US ? Should I be calling you a traitor ? My point is, this case of SRK has nothing to do with loyality to motherland or racism. It is an unfortunate aftermath of 9/11 and we all know its been happening at POE.



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  • alterego
    10-04 05:50 PM
    I have seen all sorts of posting on both this forum as well as others supporting the process of labour substitution.
    This issue needs careful analysis. Just as a knife can be used for a useful purpose of slicing bread, but also for the criminal purpose of committing homicide, so can the LC be used by the employer to truly get a desperately needed skilled employee or to sell it to the highest bidder.
    In the former case it is appropriate whoever the beneficiary and however recently he has arrived. In the latter scenario it is neither fair nor appropriate.
    Much of the problem as I see it here is on the basis of the basic abuse in the system. In my view this provision in the immigration law leads to more abuse on the part of employers, lawyers and opportunist immigrants. All this to the detriment of fair minded law abiding immigrants.
    I have wrestled with this issue a lot. In my situation, I am in a situation of relative comfort. I have an approved 140 in a very stable job with pending 485s for me and my wife albeit with very recent PDs which I am not about to see become current for years in the current scenario.
    My wife is in an area of quite good demand where there are all sorts of substitute labours floating about. Technically, I could have her take the gamble with the security and back up my situation provides.
    Yet I have not done so (to date). Yet I am not foolish enough to make any long term bets either. I am an idealist but also a realist. I have much to gain or potentially lose by the scrapping of this provision. Hence I consider myself neutral and able to take a neutral view on this issue.
    My feeling is this thing is wrong as it currently stands. Yet I will not promise not to use it if the powers that be are stupid enough to let is stand as it is currently stated.

    That is my best asssessment of this situation.





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  • grupak
    02-13 12:24 PM
    For those who do not see the unfairness because of country of origin, here is a scenario:

    Your colleague and friend work in the same company as you, have similar qualification. Both of you apply for the GC around the same time, you get it years maybe decade sooner and can move onto a higher position, maybe better job. Your friend is still stuck at the same position even though he has been a good worker and should have been promoted in an ideal situation.

    We are here not because of our country of origin but because of our employment. So, lets not get into 'us' and 'them'. We are all skilled-employees, and that's what IV represents.

    A system that holds back employees for years because of country of origin instead of job performance is clearly broken. IV is fighting to fix it.

    (1) Increasing the visa numbers and (2) removing/increasing cap is only the solution.



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  • srini1976
    09-23 06:23 PM
    The only missing information to give an almost 90% accurate prediction of the visa bulletin movement are
    1. Will DOS do spillover every quarter or only once every year?
    2. What would be the number of eb2 and eb1 visa demand from ROW?

    the answer to question 2 can be obtained by getting the number of pending PERM Eb2 petitions with DOL, if we get the answer to question 1 from DOS then we can predict the visa bulletin with almost 90% + accuracy.

    I don’t think DOS will do a quarter spillover. If DOS does not do a quarter spillover then it will disastrous for EB2 India because there will be a either a repeat of August 2008 visa bulletin where they might move the visa bulletin up to 2006 or 2007 and basically they will give a visa to whoever irrespective of PD which means people with 2004 and 2005 might get left behind again while people from 2007 and 2007 might get GC or an even more disastrous situation might be that if DOL releases a ton of pending EB2 ROW perm applications they have been holding up for over an year in June-July-august 2010 time then DOS might not do a spillover at all for Eb2 India.

    The key difference compared to last year is Pre-Adjudication and improved communication between DOS and USCIS.
    If not all, Recent spate of approvals for EB 2 - I (based on spill over) - in first few weeks of September 2009 is itself a proof of their improved service (& Pre-Adjudication)

    Most likely spill over should happen Quarterly. If not I agree with you - they can make everyone current in the last Quarter and approve irrespective of Priority Date. But its least likely to happen this year. But you never know about USCIS.





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  • immigrationmatters30
    07-16 08:39 PM
    ThanksGC for the reply,but what if by the time I apply for labor, I enter 6th year and if assuming labor is approved in 6 months, can I use PD from the previous employer to extend beyond 6th year. I am asking because I was under the impression, I cannot extend my H1 if I file labour in 6th year( it has to happen before I reach 6th year).But in my case I have approved labor with PD before I reach 6th year but from different employer.

    In short,Can I apply for one year extention based on my labor PD from different employer even if I file new labor from new employer after entering 6th year.


    I-140 IS NOT PORTABLE. PD is portable.
    You can get 7th year extension to your H1 transfer to caompany B based on your I-140 approval from previous compnay. You have to file new LC and I-140 from your new company and while filing I-140, you port your old PD by providing your old I-140.



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  • abhijitp
    07-03 05:04 PM
    As far as past IV threads, here is one and I am sure Pappu knows it as he has posted lots of links there:
    http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=694&page=8

    A list of contacts for Public radio/TV such as NPR and PBS:
    http://www.npr.org/contact/

    Here is another... and this makes me think we should look for media contacts at other pro as well as anti-immigration websites.

    http://www.conservativeusa.org/megalink.htm

    Here is one more:
    http://www.webcom.com/~leavitt/medialist.html





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  • pointlesswait
    09-23 06:30 PM
    there is a "right" time for everything..and now is not! thats all...


    You are right, in times like these immigrants should not be welcomed with open arms so its time for you to pack-up and leave. Visit this website when you reach home and let us know you reached safely... safe travels.



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  • NKR
    02-12 01:04 PM
    Hi,

    In the past any leftover numbers from undersubscribed countries were being given to the oversubscribed countries in the final quarter of the year (Jul-Sept), That's how so many of indians and chinese got their GCs over last 4-5 years.

    My question is, is that still the policy of the USCIS? Will USCIS use the leftover numbers from ROW for India/China.

    The possibiliy of having quite a few of leftover numbers is high as ROW is current for EB2. That might bail out, to some extent, EB2 India.

    You of course have to count the effect of new memorandum about FBI Name check into this mix.

    Thanks,

    Viren



    No left overs from ROW to POW (this is what I am feeling right now with EB2 being unavailable)..





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  • chmur
    02-12 11:05 PM
    Some of the events in the last week seem to indicate so ??

    1. Writeoff FBI namechecks pending for > 180 Days
    2. Moving EB3 dates in smaller increments . Eb3 India was moved by ~3 Months


    Step 1 was crucial because this will enable USCIS to approve all the applications within 'Current Dates'. Atleast now, USCIS will know pretty clearly where they stand when they move the dates (in conjunction with DOS) , unlike last June fiasco.

    Step 2 ; Moving the dates in reasonable increments indicates they do not want to loose control of approval process . Lot of 2003 /04 filers got GC's in last July at the cost 2001/2002 filers . It was obviously arbitrary once they made everything current and probably depended on how eager an officer was to grab those visa numbers for his /her cases. USCIS lost control over the process.


    Regarding EB2 heart burn - Blame it on substitute filers, obviously most of the line breakers would have used EB2 rather than EB3. But I think eventually EB2 will get higher priority and move faster then EB3 once the Unused numbers from others categories gets distributed after June /July. Calm your nerves.


    I only wish if they had streamlined the process in this fashion about 3-4 years back . We would have not lost 200,000 visas and most of the dates would have been current or at the most 2 years behind. Very reasonable.

    Am I dreaming....has USCIS got it's act together??


    I forget , IV was not around 3-4 years back.


    But we cannot be too enthusiastic about these good news because unless those 200,000 numbers are recaptured the dates will soon get struck in near future .



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  • prem_goel
    05-29 03:12 PM
    I strongly feel you guys are right regarding EB1 misuse. I also know of some people who are applying in EB1 using these loopholes. we should do something to stop this fraud.

    I've read other people's comments in this thread about how Cognizant is misusing EB1 category. I know a couple of folks who did that. This is something that should be brought up to the right people's observation. I plan to submit WH-4 atleast to begin with, against this company. Please PM me if you know anyone else who frauduently represented himself/herself for EB1 category.





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  • illusions
    05-11 05:05 PM
    Correct! And it is not even a "Civil War". It is really a war ti erradicate terrorism from Sri Lankan soil. The term Civil War refers to a war between people in a country. The SL government is not waging a war against it's Tamil citizens but against a terrorist group.

    my bad, what i meant was war. Jerrome that reports is one sided, bias and is opinionated.



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  • dealsnet
    09-04 04:30 PM
    You quote YSR discussion from TOI.

    Here I am pasting same YSR discussion from rediff.com

    QUOTE:
    by JGN on Sep 05, 2009 12:49 AM
    The inherent racism of historic Hinduism is thus blatant. You were judged by the color of your skin, not the content of your character, skills or talents. The darker your skin, the lower your caste and rank in Hindu society. The whiter your skin, the higher your caste and rank. The Brahmins prided themselves on their white skin while despising the darker skinned untouchables who were often viewed and treated as sub-humans.
    This explains why Hindu gurus are more than willing to travel to the West to convert rich white Europeans to Hinduism BUT never travel to black Africa to make converts. The truth is, they don’t want black people whose skin color is an indication of bad karma. As long as they can sucker rich white people into giving them money (“Money is evil. So give it all to me.”) why bother with darker skinned people?
    This can be documented by the statements of many of the gurus who have reaped riches in the West. When one guru was asked on TV what he was doing to help the poor, he responded, “Let the Christians take care of them. I am here to help the rich.”

    YSR is dengerous than SWINE FLUE...shame on YSR's Son.

    Over 100 die after YSR's death..

    India - NEWS - The Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/4970708.cms#top1)

    See what posters in Times of India say

    Raj,Uk,says:With all due respect to YSR but his followers are not leaving any stone unturned in capitalising his death it seems like a race to make him most popular leader. If the number of deaths due to shock to be considered as the measure of popularity then YSR becomes far more famous then Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi et al. This is a wrong precedence we are setting by publishing the unconfirmed news, just think what will happen post mayawati/lalu and other so called popular leaders.

    Ek,BLR,says:60 people dying is a joke..bigger joke is people dying of cardiac arrest...I have never heard of anyone having a cardiac arrest at their mother, father,wife or for that matter their Child's death.......These people attribute any death happening on these days to YSR's death..I am not denying there are some fools who are capable of committing suicides though!!!





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  • dealsnet
    09-04 11:43 AM
    -TrueFacts have atleast four diffrent ID's.
    I have got 4 red dots from his avatars.
    I have my GC on my wallet, so I don't care about any other GREENS.

    And right on.... Never expected such a behaviour from a noted Senior member.....

    Personally I do not care if I get "Reds" or "Greens" as it is not going to give me GC for what I'm here for.....





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  • vivid_bharti
    05-01 05:27 PM
    Sri Lankan Tamils may not be Indian citizens but are etinic Indians and that is what their problem is and it is the problem in several other places like Malasiya, Fiji, Trinidad etc. these people are still called Indians in these countries and being discriminated. India being a powerful nation should protect the rights of ethnic Indians, but it doesn't....most or all of us know the reasons, it is being ruled by a lame duck govt. who cannot protect citizens living within the Indian boundries, so even if they try to interfere in other countries affairs, I'm sure even a smal coutry like Sri Lanka has guts to say Shoooo!!!! to our foreign Minister. India does not have any respect whatsoever in the world politics now, whatever was earned during the NDA govt. is all lost, nobody sees India with any respect any more, so atleast in my mind I know the answer why India is turning a blind eye towards the killing of Tamils in Sri Lanka & blatant Human Rights murder by a tiniest neighbor





    gc_wow
    08-15 10:29 PM
    Bollywood should first pay taxes, none of these icons, pay taxes legimately in India, remember them dancing in the partys of mafia, which is tied to terrorists, I think the agent did a great job in nabbing this guy. The VVIP mentality should end in India. Stupid illeterate politicians are over playing this, Ambika Soni should do what she is supossed to do in her office.





    grupak
    12-13 12:04 PM
    --I think, per country quota system was framed with diversification as underlying principle, not discrimination.

    Depending on which country you are from, it may seem like discrimination or fair system upholding diversity.

    If you are from India, you would hate it. There are truckloads of programmers in that country. But if you are the only graduate with programming skills from a country like timbaktoo (?), you would love it. You also got a shot at american dream.

    This EB quota system reminds me of Caste reservation system in India. To some that is fair, to others, it is unfair. Depends on which side of the fence you are.

    Fairness or not is not the issue. Question is can it be challenged in a court? Diversity at work place is encouraged through outreach for example. But you cannot discriminate in employment based on national origin. Employers can't put quotas for employee diversity. Employment based immigration I don't think can count because part of the requirement for holding the job is that the employee have a valid work authorization.

    For example, someones H1b 6yrs runs out the without possibility of extension, you cannot cry discrimination from the employer for not hiring you beyond 6yrs. As I said, the employers don't force you to not change job or job title. People don't because they will lose their GC or spot in the GC queue.

    As an unrelated side note, the current quota system is something that has evolved from past policies some of which was used to restrict citizens of certain countries.



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